Saturday, September 16, 2006

Powell v. Bush

Colin Powell wrote a letter to McCain on the administration's efforts to redefine torture. "The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. To redefine Common Article 3 would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk."

In the Huffington Post, Martin Lewis picks part of one line of Bush's statement, "Article III of the Geneva Convention is hard for a lot of citizens to understand...", and compares it Powell's statement and what Bush said about Powell when appointing him Secretary of State: "I know of no better person to be the face and voice of American diplomacy than Colin L. Powell. An American hero, an American example, and a great American story. ...providing good counsel, strong leadership and an example of integrity for every one for whom he serves."

Here's the rest of Bush's statement during yesterday's press conference: "Article III of the Geneva Convention is hard for a lot of citizens to understand. Let's see if I can put it this way for people to understand -- there is a very vague standard that the Court said must kind of be the guide for our conduct in the war on terror and the detainee policy. It's so vague that it's impossible to ask anybody to participate in the program for fear -- for that person having the fear of breaking the law. That's the problem."

First off I find it hilarious that Bush is going make something complicated easier for us to understand. Aside from that, he was asked several times about this yesterday. His first statement on the topic was clearer "And that Common Article III says that there will be no outrages upon human dignity. It's very vague. What does that mean, "outrages upon human dignity"? That's a statement that is wide open to interpretation. And what I'm proposing is that there be clarity in the law so that our professionals will have no doubt that that which they are doing is legal."

Vague isn't as good a word to describe it as non-specific, which like many laws (e.g., "unreasonable searches and seizures", "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law", "abridging the freedom of speech") it needs to be. The part he's leaving out is that in 50 years of the Geneva Conventions we have a good idea of what it means. And moreso the practices he is asking the military to perform are generally considered banned by Article III and that's why he's trying to explicitly legalize them. And he justifies not saying that because he doesn't want to describe specific techniques for fear the enemy will adopt. Of course techniques used are already public knowledge so that argument doesn't hold, nevertheless Rove or Gonzales came up with the excuse and Bush is sticking to it. Prick.

11 comments:

The Dad said...

Seems like a technique similar to what Bill ""It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" Clinton used.

Anonymous said...

"The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism."...Beginning?!!

Powell, what a f'n hypocrite! The dude took full part in the lies that took part in run up to the war. No credibility for him from me. It is not Bush vs Powell. It is Bush AND Powell.

Howard said...

By all accounts it was Powell and Tenet vs Cheney and Rumsfeld. Powell tried to use diplomacy. His boss ordered him to give the UN speech and he tried to be accurate but wasn't. He did resign. He wouldn't make the list of the 10 worst people in the administration or even close. I wish Powell would speak up more, but I think he's too good a soldier and won't speak out against the commander-in-chief. That's why I'm encouraged by his letter.

Howard said...

See Arianna Huffington on Powell

Anonymous said...

I understand your rational but would beg to differ. Powell lied at UN, and supported the administration on any occassion during the entire term at most crucial times. IMO, he is dishonest and hypocritical and nothing I have heard so far changed my mind. Because of people like him, the good lying soldiers, the US is in shitty situation it is in right now.

An example of honest politian is Robin Cook. This country does not seem to have such people.

Howard said...

I know I won't convince you. Powell was a moderate working inside the administration to try to make things better. The 9/11 Commission Report noted a lot his edits on the UN speech. It's not clear if he lied or not. What is clear is he's publicly admitted it was wrong and that's it probably the darkest spot on his career. I'm pretty confident the run up to the war would have been worse without him. I also agree with what he's saying in this letter.

Cook gave a great speech (which is even better now) and had convictions, but I'm not sure he changed anything. The JFK Library Foundation has been giving awards for courageous public leaders. It may not be much, but it is something. You may find calling everyone 100% corrupt doesn't get you too far.

Anonymous said...

Rumsfeld and other also admitted they were wrong on intelligence, so what?

"I'm pretty confident the run up to the war would have been worse without him."... Hmm... US would not bother lying in UN but rather just nuke Iraq? Yeah, thanks to Powell, that did not happen.

The calling everybody 100% corrupt comment is a bit odd given the Cook example that I gave.

Howard said...

Rumsfeld and other admitted the intelligence was wrong, not that they were wrong. There's a big difference.

The 100% corrupt comment was regarding everyone in "this country".

By all the accounts I've read, there have been several battles within this administration between a Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc hard line and a more moderate (albeit still conservative) position (Powell, Tenet until he inexplicitly caved, Rice at times). We should be encouraging the moderates, the problem is they haven't won anything significant yet.

The other path is to let the Cheney-evil be really evil in the hopes that we finally wake up. That path really does frighten me.

Anonymous said...

IMO, Powell is not a moderate but an opportunist. The fact that he disagreed and then contributed to the lies publicly the way he did does not make him look any better at all. I understand the "soldier" argument. I hope Cheney returned him his favourite toy after all too...

It is well noted that moderates have not won anything yet. The reason being that these (all 100% moderate politicians in US that I know of) are moderates by opportunity but not principle. Such fake creatures are easily defeated by somebody apearing authentic... and even outright stupidity (GW) does not prevent the victory. Watch Republicans doing it again and wonder why, oh, why...

Howard said...

I agree there are not enough principles in US politics. I think Cheney has them. They are extreme, rigid and wrong but he doesn't compromise. I think Congressional Republicans are starting to become upset enough with Cheney's principles that they are reaching their own and starting to speak up about them. But then the administration out-smarts them. The Democrats are no where to be seen.

Anonymous said...

So, baby steps for US politians: lying (in UN and elsewhere) to support the war is not a good idea... Not doing so (lying) will make you (Powell) look better then the principled ass hole Cheney...